But despite their continuing success and living legend status, being a Ramone hasn't always been an endless vacation. There has been grueling hard work, drug and alcohol problems, three drummers (a sober Marky rejoined after Ritchie abruptly quit last Fall), internal fighting and other equally troublesome problems.
And there have been good times too – plenty of them. Like when they first began to make it on the Bowery in '74, their now-legendary trip to England in '76, their 10 great albums, the fun tours, and of course, the gigs. The Ramones have always been an essential live band, and it's in concert where they really shine.
Presently in the midst of area appearances and a promotional blitz for their new “Best Of” collection, Ramones Mania, Joey and Marky Ramone recently took some time out from their busy schedule to discuss the current state of Ramonia. Over a few slices of pizza at one of their favorite hangouts (a bar & grill on the Lower East side), New York's premier rock 'n' rollers candidly spoke of the triumphs and tribulations of being a Ramone, as well as their illustrious Ramones past, present, and future plans. Following are excerpts from our conversation.
Joey: In a way, except most of the mixes have never been released. A lot of them are European or English mixes, like 'Indian Giver,' which has never been released in America. But if it were just a hits package. it wouldn't have the songs it does have on it like “Wart Hog.” It's really for the collector, or the new fan, or anybody. It's great.
Marky: Plus it's good for the younger kids too, because a lot of them aren't really familiar with the older albums. So if they get a hits package (like Ramones Mania) they can hear the older stuff, and if they like it they can go buy the others. And we have a nice bio on it.
J: We did, but actually this guy Kevin (Laffey) from Warner Brothers is real responsible for this album's conception and seeing it through. Warner Brothers came up with a list of the songs they wanted on it, and we came up with a list of the songs we wanted on it, and it was very close by about five songs. It was very difficult for us to select the songs, but we wanted to make sure it wasn't put together by the record company so it wouldn't contain 30 ballads. (Laughs).
M: All the stuff on the new CD was digitally remastered by Ed Stasium and it sounds great.
J: And there are some songs that sound better now than they did originally, like
"Chinese Rocks,' because I didn't like that guitar shit Phil slipped in while we were away, or our backs were turned. We didn't want to put the Spector version on (Ramones Mania) because we weren't crazy about it. Instead we wanted to put on a demo version or maybe a live version, or something like that. But actually on Ramones Mania it (the Spector version) sounds better and rawer than before.
J: I asked Howie Klein (at the record company) about that recently and he said they were going to do the first and second album together on one CD, which is cool, sort of like those T-Rex albums, and then maybe Rocket to Russia and Road to Ruin together. Eventually, everything will be out on CD.
J: We all love the Stooges, but we love a lot of things. We're all big rock 'n' roll fans and collectors, and we all share definite similarity of tastes, but then again everyone has their preferences. I guess lately I've been more into metal, ike Motorhead and AC/DC. I've loved them from the beginning, but I'm writing maybe more in that style to some degree as opposed to where I was more influenced by Doo Wop at one time, like when I wrote 'Oh Oh I Love Her So' — or a more English kind of thing, like when I wrote "I Don't Want You,” which was more of a Kinks kind of thing.
As far as compositional writing, it's absorption of everything, and the output is us. It's not just music, it's living, it's fucking life. It's things that piss us off, it's things that amuse us, relationships, it's all kinds of stuff that goes into the makeup of this band.
But today I might be into one thing, and tomorrow I might be more into something else, and it doesn't mean I don't like the other thing. It's just that some days you don't want tuna fish-you want chicken salad. But some bands will have tuna fish every day of their lives. A lot of bands have one or two influences, and that's exactly how they sound. You can't say we sound like this or that. I mean we're a unique bunch.
M: I had a drinking problem, a bad drinking problem. I got to a point where it was taking over, where it was controlling me. I had to have a drink. I mean, it's fun to drink, if you know how to control it. But once it starts grabbing on to you, you'd better stop, 'cause it's gonna kill you. So, we got to a decision where they didn't want me around because I was drinking too much, and I don't blame them. So that was it. I had to get my life together and it took two years after being out of the band.
I did go away to a few places and sobered up and dried out, and now, since 1983 till '88, it's almost been four years since I've been straight — nothing, not even pot.
In fact Dee Dee's doing great too, better than ever. He's totally clean, too. He looks good, he's growing his hair long again and everything.
Joey: Mark's a serious role model for all of us. He's changed my ways because I like to drink myself. But now when I'm on tour, I don't drink or do anything. I stay straight and want to do my best. I mean, who wants to pay 15 bucks to see a bunch of fucked
up people up there stumble around the stage? Hey, when you go to see a show you wanna be blown away — like when I saw Iggy (Pop) at the Ritz. He's in rare form now, he was incredible that night. I always admired Iggy for a lot of years, but a lot of his shows I saw it wasn't even him, it was a parody — a bad Iggy/Stooges cover band.
But now he's got a good band, and they were good and raw and everything, It was almost the Stooges, but it wasn't this uncontrolled chaos — which can be good and bad. I mean it can be good but it's short lived. If Iggy kept the way he was, he would've been dead long ago.
J: We're still growing, we're getting bigger and bigger all the time. I'm happy with our achievements. We make people happy, you know? We're not going to go the way of Cheap Trick, that's for sure.
We're too concerned about our integrity. You can't sell yourself short, and sell your fans out. How can you live with yourself? I mean, most of these people who really make it can only live with themselves because all they really care about is the bucks. I'm more concerned about credibility, my integrity, my self respect. I like walking down the street and having kids saying to me “you guys are the best.” It's nice to be respected.
J: Well yeah, at some point I definitely have plans and I have some stuff in the can.
But right now I've never been happier being with the Ramones. I'm really enjoying myself and we're really getting along great now. The Ramones are my priority and this is what I enjoy. But yeah, at some point I definitely want to do that.
J: Well it would be very diverse. Some of it would be very much like the Ramones because of course I've written a lot of songs for the Ramones. But some of it would be like up stuff that maybe wouldn't fit the Ramones. Some of the songs I've presented to the band, but they said “if you change this we'll do it.” Fuck that, man. I like a lot of different kinds of things, you know, and sometimes you don't want to have to compromise and just do it without having to get into fights. So yeah, I'm gonna be doing some things.
J: Well, being together 14 years, and being a live touring band, we work just about all year round. So somewhere we're always on the road in close quarters and there's sometimes problems, friction, inner turmoil, and there's gonna be episodes, you know what I mean?
Well it was really between me and John, and at one point it was between Marky and Dee Dee. I think there might have been a period for about three years that I didn't talk to John. It was some bullshit thing that today you could see as sort of trivial, but at the time I guess it definitely wasn't trivial.
But, we all really made a conscious effort to really work it out, and we just worked it out to where it doesn't exist. It didn't take overnight; it took a while before each person regained the trust of the other person and let it go. Whether it be a band or a government, the worst thing that can be, no matter what, is the lack of communication — because then everything breaks down.
M: Yeah, everyone let their disagreements go, and made up. Now it's one for all, all for one.
J: When we play sort of local, we'll fly, and then we'll rent a van. We had a bus in those days because we hated each other's guts, so we needed more space for our sanity. Now we just enjoy each other's company so we have a great time. It's fun, we really enjoy each other. It's nice. I mean we're a real happy family now, seriously.
J: No, because all that's important to us. I mean basically, when we play it's spontaneous but we believe in being tight, in being our best. We have a professional kind of attitude in the sense that we care to be our best, and to be tight and not be sloppy.
We're just very organized. I mean, John right from the start would always have a second guitar right there tuned and ready to go, so he wouldn't have to tune it for like half an I remember seeing Television at CBGBs years ago — and they’d come out and hit a chord and Tom Verlaine would stand there for like half an hour tuning, talking about the whales or something. I mean, who wants to hear that shit? How annoying.
That's one thing we excluded right from the beginning, that pretentious, the cliches and the bullshit. We just sort of disassembled and reassembled it and cleaned it out. It's like having your toilet stuffed up. We cleaned it out. We got the Roto-Rooter device and cleaned out all the stuffiness. It's like a breath of fresh air. We put the essence back, the spirit, the raw guts and emotion, the fun — that's what rock n’ roll always was, is, and meant to be.
J: Well, you know, it wasn't a pre-conceived idea. We met, we had a rehearsal, and we realized that we got something here. It was just a chemical imbalance. This neurosis. This psychosis.
J: Yeah. We went over there (to London), on July 4th 1976, and sold out three nights at this place, The Roundhouse, which was about 9,000 people. And then we did this club Dingwalls, and that's where all the kids were hanging out, like the Clash, the Pistols and the Damned.
After we left England, that's when the world changed, and that's when music changed. The best story I heard was from Chris Spedding. He told me that when the Sex Pistols went into the studio to do their first album, one of the guys had a copy of Rocket to Russia under his arm and they said "we wanna sound like this.”
But the thing was, while they (the British punk bands) all sort of took our sound and our look as their basis, they interjected themselves to give their songs their own personality and whatever, which was very exciting. But I think more of the bands there just took our sound and weren't really so different in the creative sense compared to the way the American bands were here — like us, Blondie, and Television. Here everybody was different, and the bands were more definite. But then again, we invented rock 'n' roll here in America, you know? (Laughs).
M: When I toured with the Clash (in Richard Hell & the Voidoids) I was hanging out with Joe Strummer in his hotel room for six weeks — it was a long tour. He had the first Ramones album and Rocket to Russia and some reggae, and that was all he listened to at the time. And this was 1977, and you could tell how influential the band was — and still is.
J: We played a lot, as much as we could because basically it was al word of mouth. I remember when we auditioned for Hilly at CBGBs and he said, “No one's gonna like you guys but I'll have you back!” When we first played, the first two people who were there besides the bartender and his dog were Warhol types. We got the art crowd first, because they tend to pick up on things first. We wanted the kids, but it was CBGBs, in the heart of the slums on the Bowery. We tried to encourage other bands to come and play, because we liked CBGBs. We liked the atmosphere and the acoustics and it was a nice environment so we thought “let's try to create a scene here.” So we'd ask people to come down and play but a lot of people wouldn't because they said “no one's gonna come down to the Bowery,” and all that. Initially it was us, and Television, and Patti was a poet then and then it was her and Lenny Kaye. And then it was the Stillettos and then Blondie. Then people started coming down.
I remember when we first ran into Danny Fields — that was exciting because we loved the Stooges, and the MCS. Danny discovered the cream of the crop--like the Stooges, MC5, Jim Morrison, Lou Reed, Johnathan Richman — the best, you know. And Danny really liked us. He brought Lisa Robinson down and she saw us and said we changed her life. (Laughs). And then we started getting written up in Rock Scene and various writers started coming down, and word of mouth grew.
J: I remember that summer rock festival at CBGBs (in 1975). They had “The Best 40 Unsigned Bands” and we headlined. That was the thing that really did it because writers were there from all over the world, like NME, etc.
Right after that the labels started coming down. But we wanted an album deal. We were offered single deals but we turned them down. And I remember Clive Davis (former CBS head) being there and saying “You guys are great but you'll never get it down on wax.”
But it was Craig Leon who brought Seymour Stein (head of Sire) to the attention of us. And we auditioned for him, and he was knocked out. And at the time, we decided we would rather be with a smaller company than with a big one – we didn't want to get lost in the shuffle. But we like Seymour, because he understood us. He understood what we
were doing, because we were doing something totally alien.
J: Well, there's still nobody really like us.
I'm sure evervone sounds like us now and tries to emulate us to some degree, but nobody comes close.
M: They don't have it down like us.
J: It's the songwriting, it's the performance, it's the people, it's the power, it’s just our attitudes, it’s just ourselves.





